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#21 ronny

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 10:19 AM

my orig 351 in the xe (built july 1982) has code
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Is it just a black motor? Havent had the sump off so havent seen the caps

#22 Thom

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 11:25 AM

Over time dad and i have managed to collect a few Nascar blocks all with the thicker sump rails, heavier cylinder walls and thicker lifter bores we even found one a Pick a Part ,but all three of them have been 302's two bolt main (not drilled for 4 bolt and no 4 bolt caps either) in base model XE V8 cars Cheers Thom
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#23 XCSEDAN

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Posted 31 May 2008 - 01:31 PM

want to sell any of them Thom?

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#24 Thom

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Posted 31 May 2008 - 10:29 PM

there all in cars now mate
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.The guy I bought my 450 off is one of the mechanics there,he loves landys which makes me think maybe he loves the cock.


#25 rusty 351

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Posted 23 February 2009 - 04:49 PM

so how much would one of these 4 bolt xe nascar blocks be worth?

if it was std bore and in good nick?

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 08:16 PM

got one for sale do you rusty?

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:34 PM

got one for sale do you rusty?


nah mate there was one on ebay ages ago that a local guy was selling,
xe192540 std 4.000 with no lip in the bore, 4bolt mains, but it went for around a grand which i wasnt going to pay, youd be better off going aftermarket for that $ i reckon

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 06:56 PM

hey guys, if you come across one that appears to be in good cond, be looking around the $1500 to $2000 mark, a good pillow block/nascar block should have mid to high 200s or close to 300 thou thick walls, perfect for nitrous or a supercharger!!!! Also i have found that the clevo blocks that come out of XE Falcons Fairmonts are the thick wall type too, they are known as the aussie blocks. but if you can find one, go a nascar block.

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 02:06 AM

I had one of these about 3 years ago until an unscrupulous engine builder told my father that I needed a new block while I was at work(apparently my unmolested block was on it's final bore, I tried to argue with them when I woke up the next afternoon but they said it had been okay'd and that the block was now transferred to them). Dad okay'd it and so they built my 351 in a standard block... yeah I will admit I was unhappy.

I'm now trying to track down another and the money to pay for it lol. Wish there was some way to track it so I could offer the new owner money for it... be nice to have a numbers matching car again :(

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#30 huxly

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Posted 14 September 2009 - 12:32 PM

well there u go i didnt even no anything bout that. i will have to keep an eye out for them. cheers

#31 kylexfcase

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:00 PM

haha my mate is happy now he just found out he had a nascar block

#32 CJPerformance

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:30 AM

About 99.9% of these types of blocks are NOT Nascar blocks, they are just late model blocks- XD, XE. Even then most of these XD-E blocks do not have any better cylinder thickness than the early blocks, and a lot of these types of blocks suffer from very bad core shift giving them very erratic cylinder thicknesses.

I would not favour one over an early block except to keep an origional car true to form.
They should always be sonic checked at many points in each cylinder for hi performance use. Even for stock use you need to be carefull as I have had to sleeve many of these things at even a .030" overbore due to thin walls, like .220"-.280" over most of the cylinder and then just a patch at .035".! The othe common thing is that you bore one and let it sit and sometimes you begin to see the tell tale of porus areas in the casting, dark shadowy areas that may or may not be thin, but the casting is a bit 'holey' in that area.


Same said, and just like early blocks, some of them are fantastic. Check it out carefully, they are not good just because of what they are.

Now, if you get hold of a Siamese bore version of the true Nascar block, that should be ok for bore thickness!
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:17 PM

About 99.9% of these types of blocks are NOT Nascar blocks, they are just late model blocks


Can you shed some more infor here. Are you saying the block casted XE192540 with these "pillows" are not Nascar blocks, or are often confused as Nascar blocks? Are you saying the only real Nascar blocks were "non pillow" blocks cast with the XE192540?

There are are 2 types of these blocks,
The usual XE# block with the "pillows", often confused with the "NASCAR" block, thicker pan rails, thicker main webs, and thicker bores. Some drilled for 4bolt some not.
Also there is the XE# H/duty only offered EX factory or in F350 h/duty, often dubbed the "NASCAR" block because the late 80's NASCAR racers would buy them direct from ford or when they were no longer available new they started sourcing them throughout the trade, many from retired F350 Armagaurd fleet vehicles. They have all the same thicker bits as the std XE# block but also have siamese cylinder walls.


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Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:32 PM

And please explain Siamese cylinders too :hy:

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 04:40 PM

And please explain Siamese cylinders too :hy:


Siamesed cylinders are where there is no water passage between adjoining cylinders, i.e. the cylinder bores are joined.
A pic would probably explain better but I haven't got one at hand.
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Posted 25 April 2010 - 07:55 PM

so a black block out of a zk with, the raised casting around the water passage, thicker main webbing, thicker lifter galleries and a mininimum bore thickness of .278", what would you call this block (not trying to sound sarcastic if it does)
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.The guy I bought my 450 off is one of the mechanics there,he loves landys which makes me think maybe he loves the cock.


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Posted 25 April 2010 - 10:12 PM

so a black block out of a zk with, the raised casting around the water passage, thicker main webbing, thicker lifter galleries and a mininimum bore thickness of .278", what would you call this block (not trying to sound sarcastic if it does)


Sounds simple to me, an XE block (XE192540), and if you want to add Nacar block, i recon you would be within your rights. And then bore it 100 thou, 4" stroke it and enjoy them 422 cubes of "real" Cleveland :hy:
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Posted 25 April 2010 - 10:41 PM

so a black block out of a zk with, the raised casting around the water passage, thicker main webbing, thicker lifter galleries and a mininimum bore thickness of .278", what would you call this block (not trying to sound sarcastic if it does)



Pillow block only. Unless it's a 4 bolt mains and has siamese bores then you can call it a Nascar block too.


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Posted 25 April 2010 - 11:52 PM

I had a 351 pillow block in an 82 LTD wich i sold to Danny XDrft

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 09:36 AM

Pillow block only. Unless it's a 4 bolt mains and has siamese bores then you can call it a Nascar block too.


Andy.


When he said it had thicker main webbs/lifter bore, i would assume that would be an XE block. Normal old D2AE-CA blocks whether pillow blocks or std blocks don't have the thicker main web/pan rails etc.
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